Anonymous:

What about nb afab people who are like bigender or genderfluid or have some chunk of female in their idetntiy? Genuinely curious as I want to make sure I understand this correctly. I'm neutrois so I know I dont really face misogny. But my partner is androgynous and was curious for them.

lostb-questions:

ok, i rly hate that im having to explain this bc i feel like this should be coming from a woman, but since there arent any women present, here we goooo…

• misogyny is discrimination against women, girls, feminine-identified people. it is not synonymous with sexism, it is not discrimination based on perceived gender or physical sex. often times it does not even take the form of discrimination, but in cultural violence that you internalize or do not internalize based on your female identity or lack thereof
• afab trans people can experience misogyny if they identify at least partially on the feminine spectrum. feminine non-binary? you can experience misogyny. genderfluid and sometimes a woman? you can experience misogyny. bigender and identify partially as a woman? you can experience misogyny. do you not currently identify as a woman, but feel truthfully that you were a woman before you became a different gender? you can say you used to experience misogyny.
• if you insist in every other aspect of your life that you are not a woman, you do not experience misogyny, and you do not get to pull out your assigned-female membership card to gain access to women’s spaces or dominate discussion about misogyny. the fact that (trans) men so often freely invalidate their own genders and refer to themselves as “former” or “basically” women only when it is convenient for them to take up space in womens discussions is an appalling display of privilege.
• trans men and AFAB non-women do not internalize misogyny in the same way women do. they may feel inferior because of their assigned sex and gender, but often* they feel that their gender assignment and the treatment thereof is unjust and feel they rightfully should be treated the same as men, whereas women (including trans women) more often internalize misogyny and the messages that, because of their gender, they are inferior to men and masculinity. these experiences exist before people even realize they are trans or have the ability to articulate why they feel this way.
• trans women, even before coming out, demonstrate internalization of feminine body standards in a way that non-feminine people do not. the eating disorder statistics and body dimorphism statistics for transfeminine people demonstrate this. whether or not they have the language or self-awareness to articulate it in terms of “transgender identity”, many trans women are attempting to conform to feminine beauty standards and punishing themselves for their genders and bodies long before the idea of transgender occurs to them. i specifically have two transfeminine friends from highschool, one of whom was treated for severe eating disorder and both of whom spoke to me about how they felt they would never be attractive because of their masculine characteristics, years before realizing they were transgender.
• likewise, trans men and AFAB non-women, before they even realize they are not girls or women, are already showing resilience and resistance to feminine beauty standards and gender roles long before considering the possibility of being transgender. i saw this displayed in myself, and in both of the 2 other transmasculine friends I had in high school.
• there is something to be said for the violence experienced by people who are perceived to be women. it may be sexism, it may be misdirected misogyny, but it is not actual misogyny. the same way if a straight man gets attacked for being perceived as gay, he is still not a victim of homophobia, but misdirected homophobia, since he does not have to cope with the day-to-day struggle of having his actual identity attacked. the violence was intended for a gay person, but was misdirected at him. the solution is not for him to go “how horrible that me, a straight man, am being treated as a gay person”, but to say “hey i cant believe gay people have to deal with this shit, we should start treating gay people better.” whenever there is a violently oppressive power dynamic there are always people caught in the cross-fire of misperception, but the solution is not to highlight their experiences, but to understand that they are victims of association with an marginalized class of people and the only way to solve that is to dismantle the system that subjugates the group they are being falsely associated with. we should take it as having special insight into some of the lived experiences of women, and let that motivate us to protect women and promote feminism more fiercely.

-newt

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